The following is a very interesting interview with Moshe Feiglin on Channel 20’s Riklin and Magal Show.
Shimon Riklin: So you couldn’t care less about the right-wing bloc, Moshe? You don’t define yourself as rightist?
Moshe Feiglin: Look, if being rightist means losing to the Hamas a few months ago, and then paying monthly protection money to preserve the quiet at least until the elections – if that is Right, then I am not Right…
Shimon Riklin: In other words, in one scenario or another you may join Gantz. In other words, it depends what they tell you. You are not committed to any bloc. Is that a correct definition?
Moshe Feiglin: Ultimately, there are no blocs, Riklin. Ultimately, there is the Land of Israel. You know what? You asked about Gantz. So listen to this…Gantz took (Histadrut Chairman) Nissenkorn into his party, right? In the Likud there are three heads of major workers unions, right? So on both sides, both in the Likud and with Gantz, both in this bloc and the other bloc, if you want to use that terminology, what do you have on both sides? Two state solution. Both the Likud and Gantz are talking about the two state solution.
Shimon Riklin: You were at the head of Zo Artzeinu. You can’t change history retroactively, that if Shamir had won the elections, the same thing would have happened. You know it wouldn’t have happened.
Moshe Feiglin: You want an answer? Who opened the way to Oslo? Who talked about a strong Palestinian police force, who paved the way and opened the gate?
Yinon Magal: Begin?
Moshe Feiglin: Begin. Who went to the Madrid Conference and allowed Arafat to give instructions from backstage? Who? Shamir. And then came Oslo. Along came Rabin, who was a link in the chain. I am saying this to you as a person who fought Oslo more than both of you, with all due respect. So with all due respect, the party that gave up more parts of the Land of Israel than anyone else is the Likud. With the vote for Likud, Begin gave up the entire Sinai. With the vote for Likud, Sharon gave up Gush Katif. With the vote for Likud, Netanyahu gave up most of Hebron. And with the vote for Likud – listen well – with your bloc and your Right, he is going to negotiate over Jerusalem immediately after the elections.
Shimon Riklin: You are a sophisticated politician. Perhaps you are saying this because you want to be covered, because you know that there is a chance that you won’t pass the voting threshold and the rightist government may fall and then you will say that it doesn’t matter anyway…I said right from the start that I don’t care, so you are protecting yourself from the outset.
Moshe Feiglin: Ridiculous.
Shimon Riklin: Ridiculous? Doesn’t it scare you that your votes can bring it down?
Moshe Feiglin: First of all, ZEHUT is over the threshold in the serious poll of Yisrael Hayom and Ma’agar Mochot. I really don’t rely on polls, even though now they are in my favor. I still don’t rely on polls. I rely on two or three other things…
Shimon Riklin: On our Father in Heaven.
Moshe Feiglin: First of all, on our Father in Heaven. That is clear.
Moshe Feiglin: There is a very, very serious in-depth analysis that shows that we are talking about way beyond five mandates. That is first. Second, ZEHUT’s platform-book, which became a best-seller. A party platform becomes a best seller in the bookstores. People are snapping them up…
Shimon Riklin: You know that the Bible is the most sold book in the world, but the Jews aren’t so popular…
Moshe Feiglin: The third thing is that whoever is on the internet or just researches a bit feels an amazing vibe behind ZEHUT. I am telling you we are on solid ground. I am not running to tell stories. I am running to enter the Knesset.
In the Torah it doesn’t talk about Right and Left. The Torah writes about the Land of Israel and I am loyal to the Land of Israel. For that, I don’t need a bloc.
Yinon Magal: So you are Right. The Land of Israel is Right, isn’t it?
Moshe Feiglin: We just said that the Right gave up more of the Land of Israel than anyone else.
Yinon Magal: Listen, I hear you. You are talking about Netanyahu’s political perception. He is dealing with reality as it actually is. There is America, there is Russia, there are the Arabs, there is the sea, there are the territories, there are Palestinians, there is an army…In other words, there is a reality in which we live, and you are talking about a utopia. You are right. Everything that you said is right. Ultimately everything is politics and everyone is talking about two-state and Bibi also made the Bar Ilan speech and Bibi gave suitcases full of money to Hamas.
Moshe Feiglin: So right after the elections, when Netanyahu will enter negotiations over Jerusalem – and that is what is going to happen – you and Riklin will say that Bibi is realpolitik, we have to divide Jerusalem, there is no choice?
Shimon Riklin: I heard you saying lately that Bibi will divide Jerusalem with Trump’s Deal of the Century, so admit that what you are saying now is that you will go with Gantz because Gantz won’t do that. Say honestly that you prefer to go with Gantz than with Netanyahu.
Moshe Feiglin: I am saying honestly that I will go with the ZEHUT platform. As opposed to Gantz and Netanyahu, ZEHUT has a platform and ZEHUT will go with the platform, which includes not only the Land of Israel and Jerusalem.
Shimon Riklin: Moshe, you will not be putting together the coalition, right? So I am asking you, who will you go with?
Moshe Feiglin: Whoever will take my platform the farthest. That is who I will go with. Not with who will destroy Jerusalem. And I know that he is going to do that. Not with who doesn’t care about Jerusalem, which is true of the other side, as well. Neither of them interest me. What interests me is my platform. The person who takes my platform the farthest.
Shimon Riklin: Tell the truth, at night, in your attic, while writing your book about Oslo, you are not afraid that instead of being remembered as a hero – and in my eyes, you are a hero in the period of the opposition to the Oslo Accords – you will be remembered as the person who brought down the rightist government? That doesn’t bother you? Forget all the slogans. In your heart, truly, you are not afraid of that?
Moshe Feiglin: I am telling you the complete truth. Both sides, Netanyahu and Gantz and Lapid are not my points of reference. ZEHUT stands on its own merit with its own platform and true loyalty to the Land of Israel. And not to the bloc.
Shimon Riklin: Moshe Feiglin, wishing you success
Yinon Magal: And it was interesting to hear you, as always.
Shimon Riklin: Nobody can take that away from him. He is interesting.